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		<title>by: Gator Boys</title>
		<link>http://www.orangeandbluehue.com/2007/10/08/29-second-loss/#comment-101470</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 03:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Cal just drove like 70 yards in less than 50 seconds, with no timeouts.  I know it wasnt against the LSU D, but still.  It happens a lot.

What happened to picks?  I was totally gonna win that thing</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cal just drove like 70 yards in less than 50 seconds, with no timeouts.  I know it wasnt against the LSU D, but still.  It happens a lot.</p>
<p>What happened to picks?  I was totally gonna win that thing
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		<title>by: Gator Boys</title>
		<link>http://www.orangeandbluehue.com/2007/10/08/29-second-loss/#comment-101224</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 22:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Well KG, we all agree that more time would have given us a better chance of winning and it was a mistake not calling the T.O.  I dont think it lost us the game, but I definately think 29 seconds is more important than you do.  Anything can happen in CF, especially with our great players.  Writing this I realized I'm saying the same thing and we're not going to convince you.

That is a good point about the kicker though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well KG, we all agree that more time would have given us a better chance of winning and it was a mistake not calling the T.O.  I dont think it lost us the game, but I definately think 29 seconds is more important than you do.  Anything can happen in CF, especially with our great players.  Writing this I realized I&#8217;m saying the same thing and we&#8217;re not going to convince you.</p>
<p>That is a good point about the kicker though.
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		<title>by: GatorPilot</title>
		<link>http://www.orangeandbluehue.com/2007/10/08/29-second-loss/#comment-101148</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 13:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I guess you're not reading the responses of those of us who thought Meyer should have used the timeouts when they mattered.  None of us are saying it would have made THE difference.  But if one can be bothered to care about winning a game we led for every second up to the point that LSU scored that last TD, it'd be nice to use every possible tool and advantage to score.  Increasing your available time by almost 50% would certainly be a logical thing to do if the option was there to do it, which it was.

This is college football.  Maybe you missed some of the fantastic finishes we've already seen this year.  We have one of the best teams in the country.  No reason to think they're not capable of beating the odds once in awhile.

The reason I'm glad you're not coaching our kids is that you would apparently have given up and taken a knee after LSU made their once and final TD. In 2006, that attitude would have lost the South Carolina game, possibly the Tennessee game, and maybe even the SEC CG.  So as you can tell, I'm not too thrilled with your opinion on this.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess you&#8217;re not reading the responses of those of us who thought Meyer should have used the timeouts when they mattered.  None of us are saying it would have made THE difference.  But if one can be bothered to care about winning a game we led for every second up to the point that LSU scored that last TD, it&#8217;d be nice to use every possible tool and advantage to score.  Increasing your available time by almost 50% would certainly be a logical thing to do if the option was there to do it, which it was.</p>
<p>This is college football.  Maybe you missed some of the fantastic finishes we&#8217;ve already seen this year.  We have one of the best teams in the country.  No reason to think they&#8217;re not capable of beating the odds once in awhile.</p>
<p>The reason I&#8217;m glad you&#8217;re not coaching our kids is that you would apparently have given up and taken a knee after LSU made their once and final TD. In 2006, that attitude would have lost the South Carolina game, possibly the Tennessee game, and maybe even the SEC CG.  So as you can tell, I&#8217;m not too thrilled with your opinion on this.  :)
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		<title>by: Keltic Gator</title>
		<link>http://www.orangeandbluehue.com/2007/10/08/29-second-loss/#comment-101071</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 01:27:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.orangeandbluehue.com/2007/10/08/29-second-loss/#comment-101071</guid>
					<description>????  I don't get your point.  We lost the game.  If I was coaching . . . what???  We win?  The result differs how?

I tell you what I would probably do (like to have seen).  Throw a couple of screens against that pass rush and run some of those fake reverses (where the flanker comes back towards to QB as if on a reverse to hold the end and safeties a split second longer).  But I thought Florida called a great game.  We just lost, no shame in that.

But of course you disagree.  The coaches were stupidly shortsighted and blew the game on that timeout.  If not for that we would have won!

That's the difference here.  You think we would have won with those 29 seconds and I don't think it would have changed anything and there for is not important.

I'm looking at the matchups on the field between the teams and the style of play.  You are looking at this with an X-Box mindset and thinking back to all the great NFL Alcoa Fantastic Finishes you remember seeing on TV as a kid.  Teams just don't drive 80 yards with 90 seconds against good defenses very often, let alone against a great defense that was fresh from sitting out most of the quarter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>????  I don&#8217;t get your point.  We lost the game.  If I was coaching . . . what???  We win?  The result differs how?</p>
<p>I tell you what I would probably do (like to have seen).  Throw a couple of screens against that pass rush and run some of those fake reverses (where the flanker comes back towards to QB as if on a reverse to hold the end and safeties a split second longer).  But I thought Florida called a great game.  We just lost, no shame in that.</p>
<p>But of course you disagree.  The coaches were stupidly shortsighted and blew the game on that timeout.  If not for that we would have won!</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the difference here.  You think we would have won with those 29 seconds and I don&#8217;t think it would have changed anything and there for is not important.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m looking at the matchups on the field between the teams and the style of play.  You are looking at this with an X-Box mindset and thinking back to all the great NFL Alcoa Fantastic Finishes you remember seeing on TV as a kid.  Teams just don&#8217;t drive 80 yards with 90 seconds against good defenses very often, let alone against a great defense that was fresh from sitting out most of the quarter.
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		<title>by: GatorPilot</title>
		<link>http://www.orangeandbluehue.com/2007/10/08/29-second-loss/#comment-101042</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 00:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Glad you're not coaching our guys in 4th quarter Kelt...  that's all I've got to say.  Eesh!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad you&#8217;re not coaching our guys in 4th quarter Kelt&#8230;  that&#8217;s all I&#8217;ve got to say.  Eesh!
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		<title>by: Keltic Gator</title>
		<link>http://www.orangeandbluehue.com/2007/10/08/29-second-loss/#comment-100939</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 03:48:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&quot;Give me a break, man. This offense can score points.&quot;

Yep, we were only outscored 21-7 in that second half. I can see your point. Dismissing the fact that Ole Miss and Troy were able to shut us down in the second half, LSU had no chance against our two minute offense (which we don't really have by the way, not a true hurry up attack. Which is what I'm trying to explain to you guys.  We are a spread offense, not fun and gun.  The offense is predicated on RUNNING the ball.  Spurrier is with the Gamecocks now.  That was a great two minute offense.  This offense is not designed to utilize a bunch of plays with deep and intermediate routes combined like the ole ball coach liked to run.  It just isn't.  Look at the tapes.  Our deep passes are fly and post patterns with one or two recievers running deep.  That isn't going to drive you down the field against a cover 3 or prevent late in a game.).

&quot;It was time for us to assert ours offensively and we didn’t answer the call.&quot;

Yeah, that's my exact point. We didn't assert in the previous two quarters so now we were going to dominate in a minute and a half???

&quot;This team played good ball for 3.25 quarters.&quot;

Kestahn Moore fumbled just before the end of the 3rd quarter with the score 24-14. Florida had a 3 and out and a 2 play interception drive before the final drive of the game as time expired. To me that sounds like slightly less than 3 quarters so where does your &quot;3.25&quot; come from? This game could easily have been 34-24 had their kicker not pulled a Chris Hetland for us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Give me a break, man. This offense can score points.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yep, we were only outscored 21-7 in that second half. I can see your point. Dismissing the fact that Ole Miss and Troy were able to shut us down in the second half, LSU had no chance against our two minute offense (which we don&#8217;t really have by the way, not a true hurry up attack. Which is what I&#8217;m trying to explain to you guys.  We are a spread offense, not fun and gun.  The offense is predicated on RUNNING the ball.  Spurrier is with the Gamecocks now.  That was a great two minute offense.  This offense is not designed to utilize a bunch of plays with deep and intermediate routes combined like the ole ball coach liked to run.  It just isn&#8217;t.  Look at the tapes.  Our deep passes are fly and post patterns with one or two recievers running deep.  That isn&#8217;t going to drive you down the field against a cover 3 or prevent late in a game.).</p>
<p>&#8220;It was time for us to assert ours offensively and we didn’t answer the call.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah, that&#8217;s my exact point. We didn&#8217;t assert in the previous two quarters so now we were going to dominate in a minute and a half???</p>
<p>&#8220;This team played good ball for 3.25 quarters.&#8221;</p>
<p>Kestahn Moore fumbled just before the end of the 3rd quarter with the score 24-14. Florida had a 3 and out and a 2 play interception drive before the final drive of the game as time expired. To me that sounds like slightly less than 3 quarters so where does your &#8220;3.25&#8243; come from? This game could easily have been 34-24 had their kicker not pulled a Chris Hetland for us.
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		<title>by: Keltic Gator</title>
		<link>http://www.orangeandbluehue.com/2007/10/08/29-second-loss/#comment-100938</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 03:35:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I'll grant you that I'd rather have 30 seconds than not but even if the odds went from 8% to 13% it's like trying to imagine that if we had let time run out at the end of the 3rd quarter instead of running Moore (who fumbled) that everything would be different right now.

NFL teams practice the two minute drill all the time, they have very sophisticated passing schemes (aka they do not need to rely on the threat of the QB to run the ball to open up the middle of the field) and their percentages in that situation are very low.  LSU had bracketed coverage on the outside all game which is why Cooper and Caldwell were non-factors.  By the end of the game their LBs were dropping 15-20 yards downfield.

For example, last year when the situation was reversed UF came away with what . . . 3-4 interceptions doing the same thing against a guy who ended up being the first pick in the NFL draft and two other first round WRs?

If Tebow doesn't throw the pick or Moore doesn't fumble or Stamper tackles Hester a split second earlier . . . those are game changers.  Adding 30 seconds doesn't guarantee anything.  We couldn't block LSU when they were pinning their ears back against the pass.  Without the threat of the run Tebow had no time to throw.

Don't buy into the Danielson hype.  That game was over and we are lucky no one besides Tart got hurt on that last drive.  The LSU defense is built to destroy a one dimensional offense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll grant you that I&#8217;d rather have 30 seconds than not but even if the odds went from 8% to 13% it&#8217;s like trying to imagine that if we had let time run out at the end of the 3rd quarter instead of running Moore (who fumbled) that everything would be different right now.</p>
<p>NFL teams practice the two minute drill all the time, they have very sophisticated passing schemes (aka they do not need to rely on the threat of the QB to run the ball to open up the middle of the field) and their percentages in that situation are very low.  LSU had bracketed coverage on the outside all game which is why Cooper and Caldwell were non-factors.  By the end of the game their LBs were dropping 15-20 yards downfield.</p>
<p>For example, last year when the situation was reversed UF came away with what . . . 3-4 interceptions doing the same thing against a guy who ended up being the first pick in the NFL draft and two other first round WRs?</p>
<p>If Tebow doesn&#8217;t throw the pick or Moore doesn&#8217;t fumble or Stamper tackles Hester a split second earlier . . . those are game changers.  Adding 30 seconds doesn&#8217;t guarantee anything.  We couldn&#8217;t block LSU when they were pinning their ears back against the pass.  Without the threat of the run Tebow had no time to throw.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t buy into the Danielson hype.  That game was over and we are lucky no one besides Tart got hurt on that last drive.  The LSU defense is built to destroy a one dimensional offense.
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		<title>by: TigerFan</title>
		<link>http://www.orangeandbluehue.com/2007/10/08/29-second-loss/#comment-100909</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 22:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.orangeandbluehue.com/2007/10/08/29-second-loss/#comment-100909</guid>
					<description>This is great analysis.  I came away from that game with a renewed appreciation for Florida and the SEC in general.  In my opinion, Florida is a top 5 team right now, if not top 3.  I'd take Florida on a neutral field right now over Cal and a bunch of others(and I'm sure Vegas would agree).  It was the Tim Tebow and Jacob Hester show -- Tebow's stats are what the Heisman voters will notice, but what made the performance great were the number of times he turned a sure-fire 10 yard loss/sack into a 2 or 3 (or 10) yard gain.  He's got an unbelievable amount of talent (and is a good guy to boot).  It was great, passionate football, and it seemed to showcase everything that's great about the SEC and college football as a whole.  LSU made some mistakes, but Florida seemed to make just as many.  I really don't know who would win a rematch in the SECCG, but I really hope (for our sake) that Tenn finds a way to win out so we don't have to find out.  Florida is a great program with great fans, great tradition, great players and a great coach.  All of that showed through on Saturday.  Good luck the rest of the way.  And Geaux Tigers!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is great analysis.  I came away from that game with a renewed appreciation for Florida and the SEC in general.  In my opinion, Florida is a top 5 team right now, if not top 3.  I&#8217;d take Florida on a neutral field right now over Cal and a bunch of others(and I&#8217;m sure Vegas would agree).  It was the Tim Tebow and Jacob Hester show &#8212; Tebow&#8217;s stats are what the Heisman voters will notice, but what made the performance great were the number of times he turned a sure-fire 10 yard loss/sack into a 2 or 3 (or 10) yard gain.  He&#8217;s got an unbelievable amount of talent (and is a good guy to boot).  It was great, passionate football, and it seemed to showcase everything that&#8217;s great about the SEC and college football as a whole.  LSU made some mistakes, but Florida seemed to make just as many.  I really don&#8217;t know who would win a rematch in the SECCG, but I really hope (for our sake) that Tenn finds a way to win out so we don&#8217;t have to find out.  Florida is a great program with great fans, great tradition, great players and a great coach.  All of that showed through on Saturday.  Good luck the rest of the way.  And Geaux Tigers!!
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		<title>by: GatorPilot</title>
		<link>http://www.orangeandbluehue.com/2007/10/08/29-second-loss/#comment-100901</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 20:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Keltic: with an attitude like that, I guess we should have just taken a knee in the final seconds rather than trying to win a game in which we led for 58 minutes and enjoyed a 10 point lead in the 4th quarter.  Give me a break, man.  This offense can score points.  They did it all game long.  Yeah, LSU put the clamps down and asserted their will.  It was time for us to assert ours offensively and we didn't answer the call.  This team played good ball for 3.25 quarters.  No reason to think that just because we had a bad 10 minute stretch it was time to give up.  Jeez.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keltic: with an attitude like that, I guess we should have just taken a knee in the final seconds rather than trying to win a game in which we led for 58 minutes and enjoyed a 10 point lead in the 4th quarter.  Give me a break, man.  This offense can score points.  They did it all game long.  Yeah, LSU put the clamps down and asserted their will.  It was time for us to assert ours offensively and we didn&#8217;t answer the call.  This team played good ball for 3.25 quarters.  No reason to think that just because we had a bad 10 minute stretch it was time to give up.  Jeez.
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		<title>by: gatorhippy</title>
		<link>http://www.orangeandbluehue.com/2007/10/08/29-second-loss/#comment-100884</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 18:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I agree the 29 seconds was important and calling a TO in that situation was definitely needed there...

However...

If the defense holds on at least 1 of those LSU fourth down conversions then it becomes a non-factor...

Coaching mistake? Yes...

Meyer is still a relatively VERY young coach and UF will be lucky to keep him as a career guy...

But in alot of ways he's like alot of these young kids we're watching play for him...

Still learning and earning his chops...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree the 29 seconds was important and calling a TO in that situation was definitely needed there&#8230;</p>
<p>However&#8230;</p>
<p>If the defense holds on at least 1 of those LSU fourth down conversions then it becomes a non-factor&#8230;</p>
<p>Coaching mistake? Yes&#8230;</p>
<p>Meyer is still a relatively VERY young coach and UF will be lucky to keep him as a career guy&#8230;</p>
<p>But in alot of ways he&#8217;s like alot of these young kids we&#8217;re watching play for him&#8230;</p>
<p>Still learning and earning his chops&#8230;
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