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	<title>Comments on: The Bitter Aftertaste of FireRonZook.com</title>
	<link>http://www.orangeandbluehue.com/2007/11/16/the-bitter-aftertaste-of-fireronzookcom/</link>
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		<title>by: Lloyd Carr</title>
		<link>http://www.orangeandbluehue.com/2007/11/16/the-bitter-aftertaste-of-fireronzookcom/#comment-116119</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 00:13:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>How's that weak conference taste today, gators?  Admittedly the Big 10 is not a very good football conference and everyone admits it.  But it sure feels good to end the season with a win for a change.  It's been a LONG time since that happened.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How&#8217;s that weak conference taste today, gators?  Admittedly the Big 10 is not a very good football conference and everyone admits it.  But it sure feels good to end the season with a win for a change.  It&#8217;s been a LONG time since that happened.
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		<title>by: Greg Sampson</title>
		<link>http://www.orangeandbluehue.com/2007/11/16/the-bitter-aftertaste-of-fireronzookcom/#comment-110218</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 17:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.orangeandbluehue.com/2007/11/16/the-bitter-aftertaste-of-fireronzookcom/#comment-110218</guid>
					<description>My main issue I have with some of the posts here is the vile many people still have for Ron Zook. The inability to give the guy credit for what he has done for Illinois. There are some people in this message board that could not even give him credit for his incredible coaching at the OSU game. Ron Zook out coached one of the greatest if not the greatest college football coaches today. It is a fact that Illinois is way better now than before he came to Illinois.
 
We will have to disagree that Ron Zook would be winning championships at Florida. In reality, we will never know and it really does not matter. 

I should also note that you do not seem like one of those Fireronzook.com people. That site is still up.  They really give the University of Florida a bad name. 

Putting those people aside, I do wish the Gators the best and maybe our teams will meet some day for a national championship. Wouldn't that be a fun story!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My main issue I have with some of the posts here is the vile many people still have for Ron Zook. The inability to give the guy credit for what he has done for Illinois. There are some people in this message board that could not even give him credit for his incredible coaching at the OSU game. Ron Zook out coached one of the greatest if not the greatest college football coaches today. It is a fact that Illinois is way better now than before he came to Illinois.</p>
<p>We will have to disagree that Ron Zook would be winning championships at Florida. In reality, we will never know and it really does not matter. </p>
<p>I should also note that you do not seem like one of those Fireronzook.com people. That site is still up.  They really give the University of Florida a bad name. </p>
<p>Putting those people aside, I do wish the Gators the best and maybe our teams will meet some day for a national championship. Wouldn&#8217;t that be a fun story!
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		<title>by: GatorPilot</title>
		<link>http://www.orangeandbluehue.com/2007/11/16/the-bitter-aftertaste-of-fireronzookcom/#comment-110211</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 15:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Ron Zook is a class act for sure, a great recruiter and a great speaker.

He has gotten better as a football coach, but I assure you he would not be winning SEC titles at Florida.  You did not live through his tenure here.  I did.

He is a great fit at Illinois and I wish him -- and all Illini fans -- the best.  Keep whippin' the Bucks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron Zook is a class act for sure, a great recruiter and a great speaker.</p>
<p>He has gotten better as a football coach, but I assure you he would not be winning SEC titles at Florida.  You did not live through his tenure here.  I did.</p>
<p>He is a great fit at Illinois and I wish him &#8212; and all Illini fans &#8212; the best.  Keep whippin&#8217; the Bucks.
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		<title>by: Greg Sampson</title>
		<link>http://www.orangeandbluehue.com/2007/11/16/the-bitter-aftertaste-of-fireronzookcom/#comment-110202</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 13:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.orangeandbluehue.com/2007/11/16/the-bitter-aftertaste-of-fireronzookcom/#comment-110202</guid>
					<description>We will have to disagree that Ron Zook did not do a nice job...he did a great job. The difference of where the Illini were as compared to where we are now is huge. If Florida had given him a fari chance, there is no doubt in my mind he would be winning national and SEC championships. I base this on the wonderful job he has done at the University of Illinois. Having said that, I am grateful of the nonsense with the likes of the FireRonZook.com people. These close minded people provided us Ron Zook...a class act, great person, and top notch coach. I am proud that he represents one of the top academic institutions in the country. Florida fans should be very proud of your football team. Now, the University of Illinois fans can have that same level of pride in our football team.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We will have to disagree that Ron Zook did not do a nice job&#8230;he did a great job. The difference of where the Illini were as compared to where we are now is huge. If Florida had given him a fari chance, there is no doubt in my mind he would be winning national and SEC championships. I base this on the wonderful job he has done at the University of Illinois. Having said that, I am grateful of the nonsense with the likes of the FireRonZook.com people. These close minded people provided us Ron Zook&#8230;a class act, great person, and top notch coach. I am proud that he represents one of the top academic institutions in the country. Florida fans should be very proud of your football team. Now, the University of Illinois fans can have that same level of pride in our football team.
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		<title>by: GatorPilot</title>
		<link>http://www.orangeandbluehue.com/2007/11/16/the-bitter-aftertaste-of-fireronzookcom/#comment-110123</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 20:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I give Ron Zook for doing a nice job.  He would not have been able to win that many games in the SEC, where almost all the games are competitive rather than one or two.

We try not to go overboard but sometimes we do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I give Ron Zook for doing a nice job.  He would not have been able to win that many games in the SEC, where almost all the games are competitive rather than one or two.</p>
<p>We try not to go overboard but sometimes we do.
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		<title>by: Greg Sampson</title>
		<link>http://www.orangeandbluehue.com/2007/11/16/the-bitter-aftertaste-of-fireronzookcom/#comment-110120</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 18:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.orangeandbluehue.com/2007/11/16/the-bitter-aftertaste-of-fireronzookcom/#comment-110120</guid>
					<description>Gator Pilot: You missed my point totally. My point is that Ron Zook took our program from the bottom of the heap to a January 1 or possible BCS game. With a history of 8 winning games in the previous 4 years, it takes great recruiting and coaching. What is interesting to me is that many Gator fans make all sorts of excuses as to why Ron Zook has been so successful this year. The Big Ten is down, easy schedule, blah, blah, blah. Just give credit where credit is due. 

You can also count on the fact that as we taste more success, our attitude will change and our expectations will be to compete for championships consistently. I just hope we keep it in perspective and not go overboard like you. After all, it is really only a game that is fun to watch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gator Pilot: You missed my point totally. My point is that Ron Zook took our program from the bottom of the heap to a January 1 or possible BCS game. With a history of 8 winning games in the previous 4 years, it takes great recruiting and coaching. What is interesting to me is that many Gator fans make all sorts of excuses as to why Ron Zook has been so successful this year. The Big Ten is down, easy schedule, blah, blah, blah. Just give credit where credit is due. </p>
<p>You can also count on the fact that as we taste more success, our attitude will change and our expectations will be to compete for championships consistently. I just hope we keep it in perspective and not go overboard like you. After all, it is really only a game that is fun to watch.
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		<title>by: GatorPilot</title>
		<link>http://www.orangeandbluehue.com/2007/11/16/the-bitter-aftertaste-of-fireronzookcom/#comment-110111</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 16:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Greg Sampson: that is the difference between a program which expects to compete for championships every year and one which is excited about winning 8 or 9 games.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg Sampson: that is the difference between a program which expects to compete for championships every year and one which is excited about winning 8 or 9 games.
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		<title>by: Greg Sampson</title>
		<link>http://www.orangeandbluehue.com/2007/11/16/the-bitter-aftertaste-of-fireronzookcom/#comment-110105</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 15:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.orangeandbluehue.com/2007/11/16/the-bitter-aftertaste-of-fireronzookcom/#comment-110105</guid>
					<description>Ron Zook took the U of I program when that previously won 8 games in 4 years to a team that won 9 games this year. You can take your smug SEC attitude and blame it on a weak Big Ten conference or a weak schedule. Even if you believe in that premise, you have to admit that there was a huge improvement. I have watched or been at every Illinois football game this year and seen this improvement. While his recruiting is exceptional, this improvement could not have happened without great coaching. 

To Henry Gomez: You say you would have less animus toward Ron Zook if he would STFU. I have never heard him speak badly toward the University of Florida which is more that I can say about the horrible things that many Gator fans say about him.

Illinois fans were not happy with what Ron Turner did to us. He left our program void of any talent or pride. However, unlike some Gator fans, we let it go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron Zook took the U of I program when that previously won 8 games in 4 years to a team that won 9 games this year. You can take your smug SEC attitude and blame it on a weak Big Ten conference or a weak schedule. Even if you believe in that premise, you have to admit that there was a huge improvement. I have watched or been at every Illinois football game this year and seen this improvement. While his recruiting is exceptional, this improvement could not have happened without great coaching. </p>
<p>To Henry Gomez: You say you would have less animus toward Ron Zook if he would STFU. I have never heard him speak badly toward the University of Florida which is more that I can say about the horrible things that many Gator fans say about him.</p>
<p>Illinois fans were not happy with what Ron Turner did to us. He left our program void of any talent or pride. However, unlike some Gator fans, we let it go.
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		<title>by: Henry Gomez</title>
		<link>http://www.orangeandbluehue.com/2007/11/16/the-bitter-aftertaste-of-fireronzookcom/#comment-108912</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 22:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.orangeandbluehue.com/2007/11/16/the-bitter-aftertaste-of-fireronzookcom/#comment-108912</guid>
					<description>&lt;em&gt;Instead of being embraced as a savior he was vilified as a demon. &lt;/em&gt;

That's the problem right there.  Florida didn't need a savior, just a competent coach.  And Zook had established a reputation as a good recruiter but bad coach.  Why should anyone be surprised that he recruited good players and then coached them poorly?  Look at what Zook's units did at Florida and New Orleans as an assistant.  With each successive year they regressed.  

I wasn't a fireronzook guy at the beginning.  But by the 2nd season I was one.  And there were a hell of lot of people that supported Zook until the bitter end, and still do based on the comments so far.  In fact many of the boosters you speak of loved Zook because unlike Spurrier he like to press the flesh.

The idea that there was &quot;too much pressure&quot; is an excuse.  All Zook had to do was show some sort of progress, any and he would have gotten more slack than flack.  

Zook's success this year is a mirage buoyed by a weak schedule in a weak league.  In typical Zookian fashion, he's won games he had no business winning and lost games he had no business losing.  He recruited enough players to win the big 10 this year but his coaching decisions ensured that wouldn't reach that accomplishment.

The idea that we OWE Zook anything is preposterous.  Nobody says OSU fans owe John Cooper for recruiting the players that won the 2002 National Title.  

As for what I write, I don't have to apologize for it.  It's my opinion.  As long as people continue to revise history I will continue to tell the truth.  It was a bad hire then, and nothing that happens afterwards justifies the bad hire.  

And I would have less animus toward Zook if he would just STFU.  But he doesn't.  And the media continues to build him up into something he isn't. 

Screw Zook.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Instead of being embraced as a savior he was vilified as a demon. </em></p>
<p>That&#8217;s the problem right there.  Florida didn&#8217;t need a savior, just a competent coach.  And Zook had established a reputation as a good recruiter but bad coach.  Why should anyone be surprised that he recruited good players and then coached them poorly?  Look at what Zook&#8217;s units did at Florida and New Orleans as an assistant.  With each successive year they regressed.  </p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t a fireronzook guy at the beginning.  But by the 2nd season I was one.  And there were a hell of lot of people that supported Zook until the bitter end, and still do based on the comments so far.  In fact many of the boosters you speak of loved Zook because unlike Spurrier he like to press the flesh.</p>
<p>The idea that there was &#8220;too much pressure&#8221; is an excuse.  All Zook had to do was show some sort of progress, any and he would have gotten more slack than flack.  </p>
<p>Zook&#8217;s success this year is a mirage buoyed by a weak schedule in a weak league.  In typical Zookian fashion, he&#8217;s won games he had no business winning and lost games he had no business losing.  He recruited enough players to win the big 10 this year but his coaching decisions ensured that wouldn&#8217;t reach that accomplishment.</p>
<p>The idea that we OWE Zook anything is preposterous.  Nobody says OSU fans owe John Cooper for recruiting the players that won the 2002 National Title.  </p>
<p>As for what I write, I don&#8217;t have to apologize for it.  It&#8217;s my opinion.  As long as people continue to revise history I will continue to tell the truth.  It was a bad hire then, and nothing that happens afterwards justifies the bad hire.  </p>
<p>And I would have less animus toward Zook if he would just STFU.  But he doesn&#8217;t.  And the media continues to build him up into something he isn&#8217;t. </p>
<p>Screw Zook.
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		<title>by: UFGatorDMD</title>
		<link>http://www.orangeandbluehue.com/2007/11/16/the-bitter-aftertaste-of-fireronzookcom/#comment-108092</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 17:43:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I think it's unfounded to say that Zook was predominantly despised or hated as soon as he was hired.  He recruited highly touted players, got them to perform to a mediocre level, and got fired.  I also took no joy in it, and had hoped he would be successful.  He seemed like a decent guy who was working hard at trying to make his UF football team successful.  Obviously, he did not get the job done.  Good riddance.  

It's annoying to me, to hear that Zook should be given this great amount of credit for Meyer's accomplishments...nonsense!  

Meyer took underperformers and made them champions.  Zook took a bad program, kept them bad for 2 years, and has had a decent year this year against average opponents.  I wish him luck, and hope he beats OSU every year...beyond that, the media and people out there need to get off the whole &quot;let's praise Zook because UF is winning&quot; garbage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s unfounded to say that Zook was predominantly despised or hated as soon as he was hired.  He recruited highly touted players, got them to perform to a mediocre level, and got fired.  I also took no joy in it, and had hoped he would be successful.  He seemed like a decent guy who was working hard at trying to make his UF football team successful.  Obviously, he did not get the job done.  Good riddance.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s annoying to me, to hear that Zook should be given this great amount of credit for Meyer&#8217;s accomplishments&#8230;nonsense!  </p>
<p>Meyer took underperformers and made them champions.  Zook took a bad program, kept them bad for 2 years, and has had a decent year this year against average opponents.  I wish him luck, and hope he beats OSU every year&#8230;beyond that, the media and people out there need to get off the whole &#8220;let&#8217;s praise Zook because UF is winning&#8221; garbage.
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