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	<title>Comments on: Seminoles&#8217; Tribal Council to Try Self-Discipline</title>
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		<title>by: rick</title>
		<link>http://www.orangeandbluehue.com/2008/02/14/seminoles-tribal-council-to-try-self-discipline/#comment-126576</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 20:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Well, then... I guess we mostly agree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, then&#8230; I guess we mostly agree.
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		<title>by: Dub</title>
		<link>http://www.orangeandbluehue.com/2008/02/14/seminoles-tribal-council-to-try-self-discipline/#comment-126561</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.orangeandbluehue.com/2008/02/14/seminoles-tribal-council-to-try-self-discipline/#comment-126561</guid>
					<description>I'll be the last one to defend the NCAA's honor, at least against charges of inconsistency (or hypocrisy) -- though I do think their efforts are underappreciated.  But if we are shooting for consistency, I'd be in favor of hitting schools harder, rather than using easy treatment of others to defend ugly periods in some program's history.

I think the big reason USC isn't being raked over the coals is that the principals involved in the Bush mess aren't affiliated with USC.  It was sort of private misdeeds -- and note, they didn't pay Bush to go to USC even, they paid his family so he'd hire them as agents when he jumped to the NFL.

Is this quibbling, or do these distinctions matter?  I don't know.  But from the perspective of The Masses what matters is whether a program is out of control, or failing its student-athletes, etc.  And I don't think you could say that USC is doing that.  Miami back in the day, Florida before that, Alabama and Albert Means, and FSU perpetually?  Those were persistent, deep problems with programs.  USC and Reggie Bush?  Yipping about Urban Meyer talking about a gymnastics scholarship?  One-time stuff that doesn't point to some deeper corruption.  But the FSU thing is all about the AD's corruption, and the Miami stretch of REALLY bad behavior, well, that looked like a program out of control to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll be the last one to defend the NCAA&#8217;s honor, at least against charges of inconsistency (or hypocrisy) &#8212; though I do think their efforts are underappreciated.  But if we are shooting for consistency, I&#8217;d be in favor of hitting schools harder, rather than using easy treatment of others to defend ugly periods in some program&#8217;s history.</p>
<p>I think the big reason USC isn&#8217;t being raked over the coals is that the principals involved in the Bush mess aren&#8217;t affiliated with USC.  It was sort of private misdeeds &#8212; and note, they didn&#8217;t pay Bush to go to USC even, they paid his family so he&#8217;d hire them as agents when he jumped to the NFL.</p>
<p>Is this quibbling, or do these distinctions matter?  I don&#8217;t know.  But from the perspective of The Masses what matters is whether a program is out of control, or failing its student-athletes, etc.  And I don&#8217;t think you could say that USC is doing that.  Miami back in the day, Florida before that, Alabama and Albert Means, and FSU perpetually?  Those were persistent, deep problems with programs.  USC and Reggie Bush?  Yipping about Urban Meyer talking about a gymnastics scholarship?  One-time stuff that doesn&#8217;t point to some deeper corruption.  But the FSU thing is all about the AD&#8217;s corruption, and the Miami stretch of REALLY bad behavior, well, that looked like a program out of control to me.
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		<title>by: rick</title>
		<link>http://www.orangeandbluehue.com/2008/02/14/seminoles-tribal-council-to-try-self-discipline/#comment-126549</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.orangeandbluehue.com/2008/02/14/seminoles-tribal-council-to-try-self-discipline/#comment-126549</guid>
					<description>Ok Dub, but c'mon, man. To claim that Miami was that much worse than a lot of other schools is crazy. 

I am a bit embarrassed every time I look at Randy Shannon and see that scar on his forehead that he received here at the Swamp when one of our students hit him with a garbage can when he was an assistant coach at Miami.  There is enough criminal to go around in college sports.

Its how the different schools handle it that separates them.

Look at Oklahoma last year when they immediately dismissed their starting QB when they discovered he was taking money on the side... thats a school that did the right thing, while others try to take a pass.

Just take a look at the whole USC Reggie Bush thing. There is proof that Reggie Bush illegally took money, and the NCAA is looking into it. We all THINK something is going to happen, but that school is still claiming ignorance (...yeah, right). When you recruit these kids and make home visits and see how they live... then suddenly they are driving brand new fully loaded SUV's and living in mansions...  It's just too hard to credibly claim complete ignorance. We all agree that taking money is pretty bad and maybe even worse than the FSU cheating scandal, and yet there have not been scholarships mentioned at the USC thing.

That's going to be an interesting one to watch.  I look for Reggie Bush to give up his Heisman at the least, and if that happens, what about their National Championship? (Any comments?)

I'll bet this one is a nightmare for the NCAA... they probably hope it just &quot;goes away&quot;.

But again - no cries from ESPN to dismantle the USC program. Does that mean that Miami is that much better than USC?  I mean the whole NCAA Miami thing was about players taking money. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok Dub, but c&#8217;mon, man. To claim that Miami was that much worse than a lot of other schools is crazy. </p>
<p>I am a bit embarrassed every time I look at Randy Shannon and see that scar on his forehead that he received here at the Swamp when one of our students hit him with a garbage can when he was an assistant coach at Miami.  There is enough criminal to go around in college sports.</p>
<p>Its how the different schools handle it that separates them.</p>
<p>Look at Oklahoma last year when they immediately dismissed their starting QB when they discovered he was taking money on the side&#8230; thats a school that did the right thing, while others try to take a pass.</p>
<p>Just take a look at the whole USC Reggie Bush thing. There is proof that Reggie Bush illegally took money, and the NCAA is looking into it. We all THINK something is going to happen, but that school is still claiming ignorance (&#8230;yeah, right). When you recruit these kids and make home visits and see how they live&#8230; then suddenly they are driving brand new fully loaded SUV&#8217;s and living in mansions&#8230;  It&#8217;s just too hard to credibly claim complete ignorance. We all agree that taking money is pretty bad and maybe even worse than the FSU cheating scandal, and yet there have not been scholarships mentioned at the USC thing.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s going to be an interesting one to watch.  I look for Reggie Bush to give up his Heisman at the least, and if that happens, what about their National Championship? (Any comments?)</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll bet this one is a nightmare for the NCAA&#8230; they probably hope it just &#8220;goes away&#8221;.</p>
<p>But again - no cries from ESPN to dismantle the USC program. Does that mean that Miami is that much better than USC?  I mean the whole NCAA Miami thing was about players taking money. :)
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		<title>by: Dub</title>
		<link>http://www.orangeandbluehue.com/2008/02/14/seminoles-tribal-council-to-try-self-discipline/#comment-126541</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.orangeandbluehue.com/2008/02/14/seminoles-tribal-council-to-try-self-discipline/#comment-126541</guid>
					<description>ESPN and ESPN.com weren't really major presences when UF was hit with sanctions in the 1980s, so I don't think you can claim some bias in UF vs. UM reporting on their part (at least not on this evidence) -- different eras, different approach to reporting violations.

And although FSU has been a disgrace for a long time, for crimes barely worth repeating, I recall the ESPN declaration coming at a time when academic and recruiting violations were the LEAST of UM's problems.  UM's issues at the time were, uh, criminal in nature.  To wit, defecating in a woman's laundry basket -- and that was one of the non-violent issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ESPN and ESPN.com weren&#8217;t really major presences when UF was hit with sanctions in the 1980s, so I don&#8217;t think you can claim some bias in UF vs. UM reporting on their part (at least not on this evidence) &#8212; different eras, different approach to reporting violations.</p>
<p>And although FSU has been a disgrace for a long time, for crimes barely worth repeating, I recall the ESPN declaration coming at a time when academic and recruiting violations were the LEAST of UM&#8217;s problems.  UM&#8217;s issues at the time were, uh, criminal in nature.  To wit, defecating in a woman&#8217;s laundry basket &#8212; and that was one of the non-violent issues.
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		<title>by: urbanisagod</title>
		<link>http://www.orangeandbluehue.com/2008/02/14/seminoles-tribal-council-to-try-self-discipline/#comment-126537</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.orangeandbluehue.com/2008/02/14/seminoles-tribal-council-to-try-self-discipline/#comment-126537</guid>
					<description>Great point, Rick. Go to espn and you barely get a whisper of what's going on. They love ole liver spots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great point, Rick. Go to espn and you barely get a whisper of what&#8217;s going on. They love ole liver spots.
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		<title>by: rick</title>
		<link>http://www.orangeandbluehue.com/2008/02/14/seminoles-tribal-council-to-try-self-discipline/#comment-126535</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.orangeandbluehue.com/2008/02/14/seminoles-tribal-council-to-try-self-discipline/#comment-126535</guid>
					<description>Ok – let me try to stir this up a bit:

We all remember the Charlie Pell fiasco we endured. And then there was the FSU Free Shoes University scandal, and now this latest FSU cheating fiasco.  

Why is it then that when Miami went through their sanctions in the 90's, that ESPN printed a front page declaration that the Miami program should be disbanded...

Why isn't anyone screaming for FSU disbandment?

Is Miami that much better than us and FSU that only they get front page ESPN disbandment demands, meanwhile we and FSU seem to get less, arguably even a pass?    :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok – let me try to stir this up a bit:</p>
<p>We all remember the Charlie Pell fiasco we endured. And then there was the FSU Free Shoes University scandal, and now this latest FSU cheating fiasco.  </p>
<p>Why is it then that when Miami went through their sanctions in the 90&#8217;s, that ESPN printed a front page declaration that the Miami program should be disbanded&#8230;</p>
<p>Why isn&#8217;t anyone screaming for FSU disbandment?</p>
<p>Is Miami that much better than us and FSU that only they get front page ESPN disbandment demands, meanwhile we and FSU seem to get less, arguably even a pass?    :)
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		<title>by: urbanisagod</title>
		<link>http://www.orangeandbluehue.com/2008/02/14/seminoles-tribal-council-to-try-self-discipline/#comment-126507</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.orangeandbluehue.com/2008/02/14/seminoles-tribal-council-to-try-self-discipline/#comment-126507</guid>
					<description>To watch a legacy slowly diminish solely for greed and wanting to get the most wins is humorous at best sad at worst. If you can stomach it, watch his show the day after games. It's sad, he doesn't know the players names and really doesn't know what happened during the game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To watch a legacy slowly diminish solely for greed and wanting to get the most wins is humorous at best sad at worst. If you can stomach it, watch his show the day after games. It&#8217;s sad, he doesn&#8217;t know the players names and really doesn&#8217;t know what happened during the game.
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		<title>by: rick</title>
		<link>http://www.orangeandbluehue.com/2008/02/14/seminoles-tribal-council-to-try-self-discipline/#comment-126498</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 13:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.orangeandbluehue.com/2008/02/14/seminoles-tribal-council-to-try-self-discipline/#comment-126498</guid>
					<description>This has to be really bad for Bowden who has been trying to preserve his legacy. FSU has already started scheduling non div 1 schools to preserve the wins for Bobby, but now, he is gonna have to retire while the school, his beloved football program, is under NCAA sanctions. Ouch!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has to be really bad for Bowden who has been trying to preserve his legacy. FSU has already started scheduling non div 1 schools to preserve the wins for Bobby, but now, he is gonna have to retire while the school, his beloved football program, is under NCAA sanctions. Ouch!
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		<title>by: Vince Gagliano</title>
		<link>http://www.orangeandbluehue.com/2008/02/14/seminoles-tribal-council-to-try-self-discipline/#comment-126323</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 00:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I'll take that as a sign of respect for the man.  A personality like him deserves to go out with at least some dignity.

Although why FSU and Kentucky would appoint successors named Jimbo and Joker is beyond me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll take that as a sign of respect for the man.  A personality like him deserves to go out with at least some dignity.</p>
<p>Although why FSU and Kentucky would appoint successors named Jimbo and Joker is beyond me.
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		<title>by: Keltic Gator</title>
		<link>http://www.orangeandbluehue.com/2008/02/14/seminoles-tribal-council-to-try-self-discipline/#comment-126322</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 00:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.orangeandbluehue.com/2008/02/14/seminoles-tribal-council-to-try-self-discipline/#comment-126322</guid>
					<description>Viva la Bowden!!!  May he coach forever!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Viva la Bowden!!!  May he coach forever!
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