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SPREAD-ing the Lies

Senator Blutarsky over at Get the Picture has an interesting post regarding the spread offense entitled “How long he can endure remains to be seen”.  While most Georgia fans only focus on the spread to promote Stafford over Tebow, Blutarsky examines how the spread offense has evolved into mainstream thinking.  In an article by Pete Fituak of College Football News, Nolan Nawrocki of Pro Football Weekly noted that

“QBs in the Jeff Tedford / Mike Leach /Urban Meyer /Steve Spurrier systems rarely are asked to read more than a third of the field and tend to complete primarily short, dink-and-dunk passes that allow for quicker decisions to be made and more accuracy. Their systems do not promote the development of a quarterback but rather hide their shortcomings while padding stats that can easily fool not only the average fan but even the most experienced evaluator.”  Link

spread1.jpgIt should be noted that Jeff Tedford and Steve Spurrier are now “lumped” into the spread despite the fact that neither actually run a spread offense.  In many ways it depends on what you define the “spread” to be.  Typically it’s a quarterback who operates out of the shotgun full time in a one back set.  Spread offenses can be pass heavy as at Texas Tech or even Hawaii (Yes, June Jones.  The spread offense derives from the same Run and Shoot offense that Glenn Ellison developed in the 50s that YOU run) or run heavy as we see at West Virginia (which runs a spread-option attack), Oregon or Navy.  In the NFL a few teams are transitioning to the spread.  The New England Patriots employ their shotgun formation, one back set with Tom Brady almost exclusively (and have had considerable success with it) while the Pittsburgh Steelers are in the process of transitioning from a power running team to a spread pass offense with a zone running scheme.  Even college teams that run the spread offense can approach it differently as Florida and Missouri do.  Florida likes to run a lot of single win running plays out of the formation while Mizzou doesn’t like to run Daniel as much (although they will let him scramble) and prefers quick hitting misdirection type plays due to their smaller offensive line.

Another key facet of a spread offense is the spacing between the offensive linemen.  The idea of the offense is to spread the defense out and give backs more room to run.  No disrespect to Mr. Nawrocki  but Steve Spurrier and Jeff Tedford DO NOT run spread offenses!!!  When is the last time you saw a Cal or South Carolina QB operate consistently out of the shotgun???  Tedford runs a version of the West Coast offense (I mean Bill Walsh West Coast offense, not to be confused with the Raiders vertical passing attack of the 70s and 80s which is sometimes referred to by the same name).  Spurrier runs a very sophisticated passing offense that utilizes a lot of draw plays and timing patterns.  QBs are responsible for identifying the defense (and changing the play if necessary) and then throwing it to a spot on the field where the receiver should be.  Rarely does the quarterback leave the pocket (although there are rollout plays in the scheme) and is based on a 3 to 5 step drop.   Spurrier also likes to set up the pass with the run, if a team doesn’t respect your running game it will be much more difficult against a team playing pass first defense.

Spread2.jpgAnd despite the knock on quarterbacks, name two coaches who have put MORE quarterbacks in the NFL than Jeff Tedford and Steve Spurrier?  The quarterbacks under Tedford’s tutelage include Trent Dilfer, Akili Smith, Kyle Boller, Joey Harrington, David Carr and Aaron Rodgers.  Spurrier has coached such quarterbacks as Shane Mathews, Danny Weurfell, Doug Johnson, Jessie Palmer and Rex Grossman.  In total Tedford’s quarterbacks have spent a combined 44 years in the league including 4 who are still in the league.  Spurrier quarterbacks have a combined total of 37 years with only one quarterback still in the league.  Unless Aaron Rodgers suffers a career ending injury none of the quarterbacks listed will have played less than 5 years in the NFL. 

Now exactly how many coaches in the world can claim to have put so many QBs in the league?  Even if most of those years were as backups, VERY FEW quarterbacks drafted remain in the league for long.  The average career life for a first round NFL quarterback in the NFL (based on a study from 1985-2005) is 6.5 years.  Not all of the quarterbacks listed were first rounders and some are still playing (4 of seven are still playing for Tedford) yet the average career life is 7.3 for Tedford and 7.4 for Spurrier.  So I’d like to ask . . . . why all the bashing of two of an elite number of coaches who consistently put quarterbacks in the NFL???  In fact when Shane Matthews was drafted by Chicago and asked about the Bears offense he described it as much “simpler” than the offense he had to master at Florida.
 
In the category of “The tales of my demise have been greatly exaggerated”, Dennis Dodd of CBS Sportsline writes, 

The final blow

The spread will die out for the same reason the wishbone died out.  It doesn’t translate well to the NFL. Eventually, blue-chip offensive players will see their skills don’t necessarily translate well to the pros. They will start gravitating toward programs that can exploit their talents. Goodbye spread. “We do point it out in recruiting battles,” said Wisconsin coach Bret Bielema, who still runs a pro style offense. “(The NFL) looks at that from not only working with a quarterback but an offensive tackle who protects a drop-back passer.” “If you ran (the spread) in the pros, you’d get killed,” Notre Dame’s Charlie Weis said. “I could never do it in a heavy dose myself because the quarterback gets exposed.”  Link

spread3.jpgWaaaiiiit a minute now.  So the Patriots don’t protect Tom Brady?  The Steelers have decided they are just going to let Roethlisberger deal with the pass rush on his own?  Missouri doesn’t pass block for Chase Daniel and Florida prefers to let Tim Tebow do it all on his own?  As for this wishbone offense analogy and how offensive linemen would want to play for “Pro style teams”.  In some quick research I discovered that Oklahoma had 22 offensive linemen drafted in the NFL just under the tenure of wishbone coach Barry Switzer.  Apparently NFL scouts didn’t realize that OU played a wishbone option offense and their linemen wouldn’t be able to play in the NFL because they just wouldn’t have the “skillz”.  The fact that they kept drafting them in that 16 year period just goes to show how stupid NFL scouts really are.  I didn’t bother to take the time to look up the stats at Nebraska but I bet they TOO sent quite a few linemen to the NFL while running that gimmicky option offense (tsk, tsk, tsk).  And God knows Nebraska and Oklahoma never sent a single decent running back, wide receiver, tight end or fullback to the NFL during that time right???  What recruit would want to play in the spread???
 
Yes, it is true that only two starting NFL quarterbacks came from spread offenses – Alex Smith and Drew Brees.  But since the spread is somewhat of a NEW offensive system I don’t think there’s enough information to base any kind of analysis.  It will take another 5-10 years or more before we can speculate (although I’m sure some idiot will crow on about some inane opinion without any factual basis – Heck the Palm Beach Post believes Randy Shannon can’t coach because his team went 5-7 in his FIRST year!!!  I guess Frank Beamer, Greg Schiano, Rich Rodriquez and Nick Saban are among the other coaches who can’t coach because they had subpar first season) on the true transition from college to pro.  Did Ryan Leaf play in a spread offense?  Heath ShulerRick MirerDave Brown? Cade McNown Jim DruckenmillerTodd MarinovichKelly StouferDan McGwire?  Etc, etc.  The point here is that MOST quarterbacks fail, not just spread quarterbacks (of which there are too few samples to accurately detect any trend).   Everything to this point is pure conjecture and opinion.
 
The fact is that the Spread will NOT collapse because of the pressure of conforming to the NFL.  The truth is that the OPPOSITE will happen.  The NFL will be forced to adapt to the new type of quarterback coming out of college just as college has had to adapt to the type of QB coming from the High School ranks. 

Missouri coach Gary Pinkel, whose team switched from a pro-style offense to the spread prior to the 2005 season, would have never landed Daniel as a recruit if not for the change in offense. Daniel had 473 yards against NU last year in Mizzou’s 41-6 win. Link  

Quarterbacks like Chase Daniel, Todd Reesing, Mich Mustain, Terrelle Pryor, etc, are coming out of high school spread option systems.  When they pick schools they tend to gravitate to programs that run a similar style offense.  Or the team that lands such a quarterback will change it’s offense to highlight that players talent.  Arkansas promised to install the spread and even hired Mustain’s high school coach as offensive coordinator (although this turned out to be just a lie to land the QB – see the Houston Nutt saga) while Ohio State is installing a number of spread type plays to take advantage of their top recruit Pryor as early as possible (don’t forget Ohio State ran a form of the spread in Troy Smith’s senior season). 
 
While the run and shoot was primarily a pass offense, the current spread can be tailored to be either pass heavy, balanced or run heavy depending on the coaches preferences.

The spread has become the fastest growing offense at the high school level. I wonder how many truly understand all facets of the offense. When done properly it can be similar to a full court press in basketball and it will slowly wear the other team down. The running game is an integral part of becoming a complete offense. Coaches need to rep running as much or more than the passing game and few understand this. Link 

While high school players aren’t as developed in passing and receiving the offense still gives more players an opportunity to participate in the game (aka touch the ball) than a traditional offense.
The spread won’t go away because high schools are turning to the spread in greater numbers.  Just as the option offense was a way of giving smaller schools a chance against deeper programs, the spread offense does the same thing but isn’t a one dimensional run-only type attack.  

The spread-option’s propensity to generate fireworks is undeniable.  Four of the nation’s top 10 most efficient quarterbacks (Tim Tebow being No. 1) all play in spread-option systems.  Its influence has also reached the high school level.  “Everything trickles down,” said second-year DeFuniak Springs Walton High School coach Lenny Jankowski, who attends high school coaching clinics held during UF’s spring practices and runs the offense with his 6-1 Braves. “I’ve had an opportunity to listen to Coach Meyer, and he’s a very dynamic speaker.”
 
Jankowski shares Meyer’s sentiment that more touches for more players results in more of their attention.  “The kids really play hard for you,” Jankowski said. “They’re involvement is so much greater in the spread.”  Williston High School coach Jamie Baker is in his second year running the spread-option with the Red Devils. He feels the offense gives smaller schools a better chance to compete.  “Traditionally here at Williston we’re not going to get the big linemen so we’ve got to have more skill guys than linemen,” Baker said. “Especially with the defenses we’re up against.”
 
Second-year Baker County coach Bobby Johns has turned his Wildcats (7-1) around with the spread-option, taking over a program that was winless the year before he got there.  Its impact at the high school level stretches across the country. “I think it’s much easier to understand and conceptualize for young coaches,” Southern California coach Pete Carroll said. “I think we see it a lot in high schools, and I think it’s going to have a good life in football.” Link

Dodd continues his rampant speculation (disregarding the fact that the trends in football usually start at the bottom and filter up rather than at the top and filter down) by taking a shot at Chase Daniel.  

As good as he is, Daniel’s pro future is uncertain. His immediate past, though, may become a historic touchstone when the spread eventually dies out. Link

Goodness gracious, spare me the overdramatic narrative Dodd.  The biggest knock on Chase is his height, not his college’s offensive system.  Of course one of the more successful 6’0” NFL quarterbacks is another alumnus from a offensive spread college team: Drew Brees.  So I guess Chase has as good a shot as anyone and the spread still has a great shot of becoming the dominant offense in college.

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UPDATE:

Sorry folks, I want to clear up a little confusion I may have left with some people by not being detailed enough with some facts and assumptions.

The basic tenets of a SPREAD offense are the larger spacing between offensive line sets, 4 and 5 WR sets and the QB operating out of the shotgun.  Neither version of what are often referred to as the West Coast Offense are related to the “spread”.  The more popular Bill Walsh offense is simply based on the principles of 3-5 step quick passing plays, flooding zones with multiple receivers and ball control through a short to intermediate passing game.  A benefit of the Walsh offense was that it can be easier to learn since you can have your receivers run the same routes from various formations.  It’s a rythm type of offensive system that also relies heavily on the pass catching abilities of the running backs.  Quarterbacks who run this system do not have to have strong arms as long as they are accurate passers.  It is also a “man blocking” scheme for the offensive line.

The Air Coryell type West Coast offense which was developed by Sid Gilman is based on stretching the field vertically rather than horizontally.  It simplified play calls by having a standard system to identify plays based by name and number and also was one of the first to utilize a lot of timing patterns.  The San Diego Chargers and Oakland Raiders were teams that effectively utilized this offense in the 80s and the St. Louis Rams of the late 90s and early part of this century.  This offense is based on using a power running game to set up deep passes.  Thus this system requires a quarterback with a strong arm who can throw accurately much further down the field and speed at wide receiver to stretch the field endzone to endzone.  Pass protection is a must for this system to work since the QB is taking a lot of 5-7 step drops.

Both of these offenses regularly utilized a Tight End and fullback which is not commonly found in the basic spread offense.  The fact that Florida runs plays utilizing those two positions is because Florida utilizes a hybrid spread system.  The spread is “typically” a one back, 4 receiver offense.

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The “spread” that Weis was talking about almost certainly the spread option, which exposes the quarterback more by virtue of having him a running option.

Part of the problem here is the generic use of “spread,” which can mean many different things. It’s kind of like how “pro style” can mean anything from three yards and a cloud of dust to the West Coast offense.

Certainly there’s a lot of bunk flying around here, but a lot of it is due to a lot of people using the same term for a lot of things. Anything from Brady’s 2007 Patriots to Farve’s 2007 Packers to Leach’s Air Raid to Rodriguez’s zone read spread option to the A-11 is a “spread” offense. It’s been around long enough now that people need to start being precise about their terms.

There are a few caveats about the spread that need to be understood in order for skill position players to take their game to the next level.

1: Dual-threat quarterbacks need good offensive lines in order to utilize their talents on the ground. For example, Ben Roethlisberger has been more successful running the ball than Vince Young, partly because he plays with better linemen in Pittsburgh.

2: East-to-west running styles rarely work against NFL defenses. In all likelihood, Percy Harvin will spend more time at wide receiver than running back at the next level for this reason.

3: Occasionally, teams can draft spread QBs for other positions. For example, Antwaan Randle-El played quarterback at Indiana before being drafted as a wide receiver by the Steelers in 2002.

4: Tight ends who can catch the ball are in vogue. Tony Gonzalez, Jeremy Shockey, Antonio Gates, Benjamin Watson etc. are all highly utilized by their respective teams.

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Florida does have the option as a part of it’s offense and also runs a lot of single wing type plays which make your quarterback susceptible to taking a lot of hits. There is merit to Weis’s comments. Even Tebow spent part of last year injured. How much punishment could a quarterback like Brantley (really more of a passing quarterback) take in a full SEC season? I’m thinking not much so the emphasis would be more on running the backs and the quick passes trying to get players into space.

And the Gator offense has not exactly been a juggernaut when the Gators have run their offense without the “option” as an option. So I’m interested to see how Urban will adapt if he uses Brantley. Cameron would be a better fit although at this point I don’t think he can take the physical punishment that Tebow does.

Newton should be able to take a fair amount of punishment. He’s taller than Tebow and nearly as thick, very athletic. Big fella just can’t get “pass the ball only to your own receivers” part down yet. I hope a light turns on for him.

I am very intrigued by Brantley. He has compared himself to Chris Leak in terms of playing style. Hopefully that doesn’t mean the same tendency to overlook open receivers, get flustered in the pocket and look like a wet noodle when he runs the ball, but if he’s as accurate as Leak at his best, I’ll take it.

Let’s hope Brantley’s style isn’t like Leak beacuse that syle fits into Urban’s spread offense like a UT fan fits into an airplane coach seat. If that is the case, we’ll need that experience-laden defense full of juniors and seniors that Brantley would be playing with to keep the score low.

Does anyone realize that Weis tried to run the spread the first game of last year against GaTech with Demetrius Jones. If Jones doesn’t fumble twice in the first half, does Notre Dame run the spread some more last year? Not with Clausen, but apparently even Weis was at the WV summer coaching session to learn more about it, so even he thought at one time it was worth a shot.

UK used to have an offense…

“The fact is that the Spread will NOT collapse because of the pressure of conforming to the NFL. The truth is that the OPPOSITE will happen. The NFL will be forced to adapt to the new type of quarterback coming out of college just as college has had to adapt to the type of QB coming from the High School ranks. ”

No.

The NFL will not conform and it hasn’t. The spread has been tried at the NFL level. Guess what. Unlike in college, Every CB can break on the short route, and every guy in the front 7 can rush the QB. When the wishbone was in vogue in college the NFL didn’t adapt. Same with the wing T, or the Flexbone, Fun and Gun, no huddle, the Pistol, etc. When the 5-2 D was in vogue the NFL didn’t change.

In the end they went out of vogue for two reasons.

A. It became obvious that players running those offenses had less of a chance to make it in the pro’s, so top recruits went elsewhere…

B. Defenses finally adjusted and they weren’t as dominant at the college level anymore.

At the college level, the players come second to the teams. You can let your QB’s take those hits in the spread, when the best QB’s only start 2-3 years. In the NFL, the players come first. A franchise QB has millions invested in him, and is expected to be their QB for 8 or more years.

“Part of the problem here is the generic use of “spread,” which can mean many different things. It’s kind of like how “pro style” can mean anything from three yards and a cloud of dust to the West Coast offense”

It is pretty generic on both counts, but the “spread” is more about lineman spread further apart, less protection from TE’s/backs when passing, reads before the snap based on defensive positioning, and more shotgun based.

NFL pro-style has a TE a majority of the time, usually a fullback, usually no more than 3 wideouts, limits QB running, and usually the QB takes the snap from center, and runs play action from snaps under center.

Some NFL teams utilize spread formations at times, but not even the Pats and Colts go 4 wide more than half the time. It’s been 28 years since a QB finished top 10 in the league in rushing. It is look to pass first then run 95% of the time.



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